TPT Heirarchy (Serious Proposal)
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But our mods isn't 24 hours. Most mods live in English with GMT, and American (as far as I know, @jacob1 is one!) with GMT-5 to GMT-10.
It can't cover all 24 hours in a whole day. If all the members from different countries can be polices, then it may be possible to cover 24 hours - there'll always be polices active, a report can be served the fastest possible.
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Wow, I'm surprised there are so many people making suggestions!
(Last time, it just collapsed.)
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i think this is a great idea! but i don't think the vote to ban idea would work withought some kind of whitelist. i have seen on tf2 that once a ban vote starts. EVERYBODY votes to ban, even if they don't know the reason. one aspect which i think you missed and should DEFINITELY be added, even if nothing else is... being able to see who left which tag... there are way too many abusive tags out there. somebody has been hitting me... tagging all my saves with things like 'weareanonymous' ' wedonotforget' 'wedonotforgive' 'expectus' 'wearelegion'. if i could find out who left these comments on EVERY SINGLE ONE OF MY SAVES, by hovering over the tag in the tag voting menu. then i could send a report about it and so could everybody else hit by this 'terrorist tagging'.
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You could just send a report about the tags without knowing who left them. Provided you don't delete the tags, it's very easy for a moderator to find out who left a tag and which other saves they added the tag to. And then delete all instances of that tag with a single click.
Although I suppose the apparent anonymity of tags could be encouraging people to place silly ones...
Incidentally, the report button (or posting in the forum, but reports are probably better) is a more reliable way to attract moderator attention than a save comment. We don't read all new comments, but all moderators get notified about any unread reports whenever they look at anything on the website or start TPT, and the forum is low traffic enough that most posts get read by at least one moderator at some point.
As I see it, the main problem is as Lockheedmartin says - we don't get enough reports. Moderators can't look at everything, so we have to rely on normal users to tell us where the problems are. But that doesn't always happen.
I'm not entirely sure why this is - because they think someone else has already reported it, or because they want to try to deal with it themselves, or don't know how to use the report button? Perhaps there does need to be some incentive for people to look through things and then alert a moderator if necessary. Some sort of badge or username colour, maybe, but I'm not so sure about the banning people bit. Maybe some ability to give penalties is necessary as an incentive, but there is potential for abuse and people tend to get upset if any penalty is given without justification.
If you're worried about bothering moderators with things that you don't think are enough to merit notice, don't be. Generally, the earlier a moderator gets involved, the less painless clearing up the mess is (e.g. one rude comment can pretty quickly lead to pages and pages of argument). Alternatively you could make lists of all the minor infractions you spot, and then when a list gets large enough, send it to a moderator for action.
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In my opinion, I think there should be a way to ban a person from using a specific item they are abusing. If a person is abusing tags for instance, they should be banned from using it either for a certain amount of time or permanently depending on how much they are abusing it. This could also be used for voting spam, fraud, and commenting. That way, they arent exactly banned from playing TPT, but they are punished for the specific thing they are doing wrong. I don't know how hard that would be to implement but I think it would work because people would understand better why they got banned.
As far as the reporting problem is concerned, perhaps there should be an award system. For instance 10 consecutive successful reports earns you a bagde that implys a person that that person is part of the policing system of TPT. They would be able to get a new forum page that is dedicated to posting reports. There could possibly be more incentives if they keep on doing a good job.
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There are already timed bans, we've been using them for years.
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I actually agree with this suggestion a lot, it's something I have wanted. Although some of the other ideas in the thread are maybe a little better.
The two problems now, are that nobody ever reports things, things go by unnoticed too often; and if we did have more reports, i'm not sure we have enough moderators to handle it. Mostly at night, when all the mods are sleeping. I've seen reports go by unread for 10 hours when I was gone, and sometimes when certain mods are busy / away they just sit there for too long. I usually don't want to ever read more than a few reports at a time because I never know what it will be. Recently, there's rarely more than 1, but i've seen other periods when there were often a few, mostly when I woke up in the morning.
We could always try doing something to encourage reporting and see how well it works, and then give more people the ability to read the reports later if needed. But it might be hard to encourage everyone to report everything they see. It's generally like that in any game, people are reluctant to report something unless it's completely obvious. Some type of imaginary save reporting rank that people get might help, since a sense of duty to report bad things will always make people do things and stay active for longer (I wouldn't even be here right now without the moderator status).
As for what power to give these people, it could be anything from a special colored name to reading and dealing with certain reports (or just marking them as read). Giving people the power to ban completely would probably be a bad idea, but I really like randalserrano's idea. If that was added, I would probably use it myself, for when a full ban isn't deserved but some type of punishment is needed. If these special users had the ability to ban someone from commenting, or tagging, that would be great (mostly the comment thing). I can see even adding the ability for each save owner to ban someone from commenting on their own save, and being able to see who tags stuff themselves.Edited once by jacob1. Last: 3rd Oct 2013 -
Well, because they just copies others' votes. But, what I asked is those who are active on forums, FP and comments, they won't copy votes like that. Choose a random user, @xetalim, @Kikinicij, @china-richway2, @sentinal-5, @boxmein, @mniip, @electronic-steve, @nijaninja98
Do you think any of those will simply copy others' votes?
Yes, that's actually a problem, because some people don't really want to know a few much about TPT. Some don't know what is a 'save browser', what is 'publish', or they don't even know what is 'powdertoy.co.uk'. And one day they see 'you're police' what will they think? Maybe they just leave TPT and don't play anymore? Maybe they don't know how to vote because they don't understand English?
Award system? Sounds fun, but how can they choose the right person to do that? If they choose one, who just make simple saves and never talks on the forums...
Edited once by china-richway2. Last: 3rd Oct 2013
