Time Travel

  • m_shinoda
    27th Jan 2012 Member 2 Permalink
    "Time Travel" is possible!

    All you need is a rocket- a really, really fast rocket, but we'll get to that later. One that can go almost as fast as light itself. Imagine yourself in space, blindfolded. Are you moving? How do you know? See, motion is based entirely upon your orientation meaning you need to compare your placement in space to something else. You're back on Earth crossing a street and I put you in a cannon and fire you out of it. Are you moving? Yes, by comparing yourself to the ground you see that you are indeed going closer and closer to the ground. You land safely and sit in my backyard. Are you moving? Yes...and no. You aren't moving compared to the ground, yet compared to the sun you are moving about 250,000 mph faster. Weird huh? Now to the time travel part. 
    Years and years back, Einstein proposed that if you went close to the speed of light you would no longer be considered matter, you would become energy. Lets ignore that law for the time being and imagine ourselves in the Millenium Falcon. Our trajectory would be Proxima Centauri, closest star system to our solar system (3 light-years away). Traveling at the speed of light, we get there and back in 6 years. On our arrival, we notice the Earth is different, it has aged hundreds of years while we are only 6 years older. Time travel.

    Let's imagine I'm throwing a party, a welcome reception for future time travellers. But there's a twist. I'm not letting anyone know about it until after the party has happened. I've drawn up an invitation giving the exact coordinates in time and space. I am hoping copies of it, in one form or another, will be around for many thousands of years. Maybe one day someone living in the future will find the information on the invitation and use a wormhole time machine to come back to my party, proving that time travel will, one day, be possible.

    In the meantime, my time traveller guests should be arriving any moment now. Five, four, three, two, one. But as I say this, no one has arrived. What a shame. I was hoping at least a future Miss Universe was going to step through the door. So why didn't the experiment work? One of the reasons might be because of a well-known problem with time travel to the past, the problem of what we call paradoxes.

    Paradoxes are fun to think about. The most famous one is usually called the Grandfather paradox. I have a new, simpler version I call the Mad Scientist paradox.

    I don't like the way scientists in movies are often described as mad, but in this case, it's true. This chap is determined to create a paradox, even if it costs him his life. Imagine, somehow, he's built a wormhole, a time tunnel that stretches just one minute into the past.

    Through the wormhole, the scientist can see himself as he was one minute ago. But what if our scientist uses the wormhole to shoot his earlier self? He's now dead. So who fired the shot? It's a paradox. It just doesn't make sense. It's the sort of situation that gives cosmologists nightmares.

    This kind of time machine would violate a fundamental rule that governs the entire universe - that causes happen before effects, and never the other way around. I believe things can't make themselves impossible. If they could then there'd be nothing to stop the whole universe from descending into chaos. So I think something will always happen that prevents the paradox. Somehow there must be a reason why our scientist will never find himself in a situation where he could shoot himself. And in this case, I'm sorry to say, the wormhole itself is the problem.

    In the end, I think a wormhole like this one can't exist. And the reason for that is feedback. If you've ever been to a rock gig, you'll probably recognise this screeching noise. It's feedback. What causes it is simple. Sound enters the microphone. It's transmitted along the wires, made louder by the amplifier, and comes out at the speakers. But if too much of the sound from the speakers goes back into the mic it goes around and around in a loop getting louder each time. If no one stops it, feedback can destroy the sound system.

    The same thing will happen with a wormhole, only with radiation instead of sound. As soon as the wormhole expands, natural radiation will enter it, and end up in a loop. The feedback will become so strong it destroys the wormhole. So although tiny wormholes do exist, and it may be possible to inflate one some day, it won't last long enough to be of use as a time machine. That's the real reason no one could come back in time to my party.

    Any kind of time travel to the past through wormholes or any other method is probably impossible, otherwise paradoxes would occur. So sadly, it looks like time travel to the past is never going to happen. A disappointment for dinosaur hunters and a relief for historians.

    But the story's not over yet. This doesn't make all time travel impossible. I do believe in time travel. Time travel to the future. Time flows like a river and it seems as if each of us is carried relentlessly along by time's current. But time is like a river in another way. It flows at different speeds in different places and that is the key to travelling into the future. This idea was first proposed by Albert Einstein over 100 years ago. He realised that there should be places where time slows down, and others where time speeds up. He was absolutely right. And the proof is right above our heads. Up in space.

    This is the Global Positioning System, or GPS. A network of satellites is in orbit around Earth. The satellites make satellite navigation possible. But they also reveal that time runs faster in space than it does down on Earth. Inside each spacecraft is a very precise clock. But despite being so accurate, they all gain around a third of a billionth of a second every day. The system has to correct for the drift, otherwise that tiny difference would upset the whole system, causing every GPS device on Earth to go out by about six miles a day. You can just imagine the mayhem that that would cause.

    The problem doesn't lie with the clocks. They run fast because time itself runs faster in space than it does down below. And the reason for this extraordinary effect is the mass of the Earth. Einstein realised that matter drags on time and slows it down like the slow part of a river. The heavier the object, the more it drags on time. And this startling reality is what opens the door to the possibility of time travel to the future.

    Right in the centre of the Milky Way, 26,000 light years from us, lies the heaviest object in the galaxy. It is a supermassive black hole containing the mass of four million suns crushed down into a single point by its own gravity. The closer you get to the black hole, the stronger the gravity. Get really close and not even light can escape. A black hole like this one has a dramatic effect on time, slowing it down far more than anything else in the galaxy. That makes it a natural time machine.

    I like to imagine how a spaceship might be able to take advantage of this phenomenon, by orbiting it. If a space agency were controlling the mission from Earth they'd observe that each full orbit took 16 minutes. But for the brave people on board, close to this massive object, time would be slowed down. And here the effect would be far more extreme than the gravitational pull of Earth. The crew's time would be slowed down by half. For every 16-minute orbit, they'd only experience eight minutes of time.


    -M


    read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1269288/STEPHEN-HAWKING-How-build-time-machine.html

  • CAC-Boomerang
    27th Jan 2012 Member 0 Permalink
    Where did you get this information from? If you wrote this all yourself, then I am impressed.

    Also, to add a note to travelling back in time, I definitely believe it's impossible, as if you designed a time machine to go back in time, you would go back in time to the point where you didn't use it, meaning you would go nowhere.
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  • m_shinoda
    27th Jan 2012 Member 0 Permalink
    @CAC_Boomerang

    That's called a paradox. 

    Say you built a time machine. 
    Stepped in it.
    Went to the past, when you were walking into the machine itself.
    Shot yourself.
    Did you die?

    If you killed yourself, you didn't travel time.

    If you didn't travel time, you didn't kill yourself. 

     In so many stories, the traveler goes to a place in the past so as to change someevent that will alter the future. This was the job of the terminator inTerminator 1. His task was to kill the mother of his enemy before sheconceived. But now let us ask "what would this accomplish" Accordingto our model, the terminator, if successful, travels from c to b and kills hisenemies mother. The terminator then proceeds to lead a quiet little life ontime branch bef. But has he changed the place from whence he came? If we holdthat both timelines are equally existent then it seems that the entities thatsent the terminator at best only created an alternate universe where theirenemy doesn't exist. The original timeline will proceed as it would withoutchange except for the loss of one terminator who has left to occupy analternate time line. It is hard to imagine the motivation of these entities inthe future to create such branching events since from their viewpoint all theyhave accomplished is getting rid of a well trained killing machine that was ontheir side.


    Yeah by myself.

  • shroom207
    27th Jan 2012 Member 0 Permalink
    I've known about all this for a very long time... But its interesting never the less.
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  • CAC-Boomerang
    27th Jan 2012 Member 0 Permalink
    @m_shinoda (View Post)

    I do not wish to directly insult or put down that statement, but I don't really think you know what I meant.

    Time travel is impossible because as soon as you push that button that starts the machine, it will then go backwards until you pushed the button and stop, because without that initiation in the past, it couldn't go in the future/present. So if you attempted to go before the initiation, you would stop, going not even a second back in time, proving false any situation where you could possibly actually go back in time, to cause any paradox such as killing yourself or your grandfather etc.


    Other than that, I say:

    Cool. You understood more about time and space than I did when I was totally into it years and years ago :P
  • m_shinoda
    27th Jan 2012 Member 0 Permalink
    @CAC-Boomerang (View Post)

    Thanks, I was looking into the possibility of paradoxes being real and found. 

    I have an magazine at home that you guys might be interested in. 
     
    SPLITTING TIME FROM SPACE

  • The-Con
    27th Jan 2012 Member 0 Permalink
    @m_shinoda (View Post)
    Did that information come from a documentary(or two)? It sounds very similar to a couple of documentaries that I have seen several times...
    I have to say: If time slows down as you gain speed, then theoretically you could go past the speed of light and go back in time and reverse time. You may say that a physical object can not go faster then the speed of light, however scientists discovered a neutrino traveling faster then the speed of light... that's not to say that a larger object can, but it leaves it possible.
    Part of my point is to show that many scientific principles that we strongly believe in, have never been proven and so are open to argument. For example, we now know that it is possible for an object to go faster then the speed of light, therefore may of the theories about light may be false. After all, we have never gone the speed of light, so we can not know for sure what happens.