Bill of S 1867 - Death of freedom in the US
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It has recently come to my attention that the. I'll of S 1867 has been passed, and I would like your opinion in the matter.
The bill of S 1867 Grants the federal government and the military of the US the authority to indefinitely detain any person in the USA without charge or trial. This means the army can arrest, detain, torture, dispose of any citizen they please, legally. This bill effects all those in the borders of the USA citizen or not. In addition, the bill grants this president and all future presidents this ability.
There is a subsection that prohibits this indefinite detention of a US citizen, hewqever there is a subsection of this subsection that effectively says "unless we say so."
The bill was passed December 1 in the senate with a vote of 93 to 7.
The bill is legal.
Effective of 2012.
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@The-Con (View Post)I was under the impression that it wasn't passed with about 2/3 voting against it. Either it doesn't directly effect me as i live in Britain but it is somewhat worrying.
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The-Con:
Thoughts?
I'm in Canada.
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Thank you for spreading the word about this subject. I actually haven't heard about it until now, but it does appear to be an issue. I'm going to try not to say anymore, as I believe there is a rule around here about politics.
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@The-Con (View Post)
Unconstitutional. It is against the Bill of Rights and The Sixth Amendment guarantees a speedy public trial for criminal offenses. -
@Lockheedmartin (View Post)
it's also in the constitution that during wartime we can ignore the constitution... -
Jallibad:
@Lockheedmartin (View Post)
it's also in the constitution that during wartime we can ignore the constitution...
Technically, we're in wartime. So, basically, we're allowed to if that's true. And to be honest, with those stupid "Occupy whatever the bloody hell we feel like because we're mad at some unknown concept" movements I think that we practically deserve this bill.It's less of a right, more of a privilege.I'm longing for the day that some American does not make a complete and total fool of themselves. -
@The-Con (View Post)
The constitution is the supreme law of the land in the US. As noted in the Supremacy clause.
Note the article and clause that says so to ignore the constitution. -
@Lockheedmartin (View Post)
Yes, I assume you are right, but with something like this, what is going to stop them? The military that they granted authority to? the citizens who will protest, therefore posing a threat to the USA leading to "indefinite detention". It's been passed, and probably because the constitution its self stated that it was legal.
However your word is stronger then mine, as you obviously know more about it then me, but consider the constitutions "cancelling out" of prohibiting laws.
For the sake of American citizens, I hope you are right, but we are no longer in the times that we can trust the government.
@Jallibad (View Post)
That makes sense, as this bill declares the USA a warzone.
It is also noteworthy that Obama made a speech about this indefinite detention in May (I think it was may, I am not sure).
Time will tell, as politics is something that has many loop holes.
