Poll on Nuclear Fusion

  • Michael238
    22nd Jun 2012 Member 0 Permalink

    nmd:

    @Michael238 (View Post)

     think about how boring TPT would be if everything acted like it should IRL

     

    @BoredInSchool (View Post)

     but think about it: Hydrogen fusion trigers Noble fusion which triggers Carbon dioxide fusion which fuses into oxegen. Why shouldn't the final stage where Oxegen fuses into broken metl be possible without GBMB

     

    and i made a mistake, I ment GBMB, not GPMP

     It only will do that chain fusing if you heat it enough. Try just heating and pressurizing it for HYGN fusion. It will fuse to NBLE and no further. However, BHOL might form.

  • jacksonmj
    22nd Jun 2012 Developer 1 Permalink
    I had two ideas on how to change fusion to prevent BHOL formation. I have now tested both of them, and I'm not yet entirely convinced by either.

    As BoredInSchool noticed, my first idea (creating PLSM in all empty space around the fusing particle, instead of on top of the particle) tended to absorb most of the photons, neutrons and electrons produced.

    My second idea was to choose randomly between turning into PLSM and turning into the other product. I picked the chances of forming particles such that mass is conserved, if HYGN, NBLE, CO2, O2, and BRMT (in TPT) represent H2, He, C, O2, and Fe (in real life). However, the elements don't match up perfectly, and the decrease in number of particles as fusion progressed seemed a bit too large and too quick.


    So I will use jacob1's commit. However, I believe each HYGN particle should produce 1 NBLE instead of 1.5 NBLE particles. Plasma stacking should be okay, because plasma eventually disappears, leaving no stacking behind. But NBLE stacking does not disappear by itself.

    Edit: I'll completely remove SING from fusion as well, since the majority seem to be in favour of doing so.
    Edit 2: I have not replaced it with GBMB.
  • nmd
    23rd Jun 2012 Member 0 Permalink

    @jacksonmj (View Post)

     are you going to replace it with GBMB?\\

     

    @Michael238 (View Post)

    and actually, if you keep it in a sealed chamber, it has a chance of constantly fusing until it reaches oxegen...

  • jacob1
    23rd Jun 2012 Developer 0 Permalink
    @jacksonmj (View Post)
    Thanks. I don't know why there was a chance of a second NBLE being produced, but I just wanted to keep it the same.

    Edit: See here, the original creator wanted there to be a random chance of a second NBLE being produced (not sure why). It does create a (small) chance that BHOL will be produced though with it, even though I didn't notice any. It also might make less particles be produced but I'll have to check.
  • BoredInSchool
    23rd Jun 2012 Member 0 Permalink

    @jacob1: Whoops, even I dont know why I included a chance for a second NBLE to be produced. Just take the chance for a 2nd NBLE out.

    @nmd: I wanted to have at least 1 stage that behaved quasi-similar to RL fusion, but people complained about SING production. Thus, I locked the OXYG fusion process(which is the SING producer) behind a gravitational requirement so that the complainers could stop complaining while it would still be possible to make SING from fusion.

    BTW: I have a complaint department for all those who still want to whine about SING. The complaint department lobby is located in the Sgr A black hole at the center of our galaxy, so get going.

  • nmd
    23rd Jun 2012 Member 0 Permalink

    @BoredInSchool (View Post)

     Im starting to see why you want to keep sing fusion... but still, if you keep it, any bmtl produced will just be eaten by the sing created.

     

    and I think that by the time anyone reaches the center of the milky way, they would have already forgoten why they were going there in the first place :P

  • BoredInSchool
    23rd Jun 2012 Member 0 Permalink

    @nmd (View Post)

     Thats the point, nmd. The black hole will suck away all their complaints!

  • fsjd
    24th Jun 2012 Member 0 Permalink

    How about if theres a newtonian field present, it forms SING, but w/o it it forms iron at the Oxygen stage,

    or vice versa, to allow reactors to work w/o gravity changing elements? (honestly not sure which would be better) otherwise no limits, so bombs would still be powerful and all consuming if large enough, but reactors would still work. should take care of most complaints.

    maybe even add another step IRON -> SING? if max temp and pressure, and within 5 frames of previous fusion step, to avod incidents with non-fusion bombs or other things?

     

     

  • heretik
    26th Jun 2012 Member 1 Permalink

    Here's my idea. Make the pressure scale logarithmic.

    You heard that right. The pressure difference between real hydrogen and helium fusion is millions of times the difference between 3500 and 5000. You shouldn't be able to 'accidentally' make singularities.

     

    I think we should just remove it and concentrate on having more particles and more interactions, being able to form other elements from the fusion.