A mistake in the Nuclear Section +New element Ideas

  • ssc4k
    25th Jul 2010 Member 0 Permalink
    Does nothing? Doesn't it make it extremely hot?

    Well if you want it to be real-life-accurate these neutrons arn't going nearly fast enough to impact the nucleas of the uranium atoms ;). But seriously, how else are we supposed to make realistic fission powered devices in game if you make uranium turn into plutonium which will explode?
  • badsqueaker
    25th Jul 2010 Member 0 Permalink
    ssc4k


    Yes, this is true, although Uranium doesn't heat up because it's exposed to pressure. Uranium heats because of Fission. Fission occurs due to bombardment of Neutrons. They split the Nucleus of Uranium or another large nucleus into an unstable isotope (Like A Neutron + U235 into U236). Photons of Gamma Radiation, and free neutrons are usually given off too, and the Nucleus splits into new isotopes. This gives of heat and energy. The Uranium decays and must be replenished, and the waste taken care of. So Uranium gives off Neutrons, which strike it and give off more neutrons, a chain reaction. don't quote me on all this, this is just from my memory.

    So, the mechanics of Uranium in this game are a bit off. In this game, Plutonium is extremely fissile and just blows up. Realistically it might not be as exciting, but for the sake of entertainment, is not as much of a big deal. Yes, Uranium ultimately is used to heat up water into steam for steam turbines, but its a lot more that just adding pressure.

    Neptunium is not something I'm really campaigning for, but it is a real suggestion. Krypton and some other Isotope also can be waste in fission of U 235. Most people who play this game are in at least late middle school, and are already aware somewhat of Nuclear science.

    All this about the improved nuclear physics is just an idea, because obviously I'm not coding it, but someone would. Like you said, it would change some people's things, but that happens to a lot of things on here. It's no easy task, but it would make this THE particle simulator out there.
  • badsqueaker
    25th Jul 2010 Member 0 Permalink
    ssc4k:
    Does nothing? Doesn't it make it extremely hot?

    Well if you want it to be real-life-accurate these neutrons arn't going nearly fast enough to impact the nucleas of the uranium atoms ;). But seriously, how else are we supposed to make realistic fission powered devices in game if you make uranium turn into plutonium which will explode?

    Well, we can try. That's what this game is about.

    also, my response before this was to your first first response. So there's no confusion
  • ssc4k
    25th Jul 2010 Member 0 Permalink
    I meant uranium+ neutron in game actually does cause something to happen in response to alexthesax, thanks for the science though

    Well it seems it is popular opinion this pass in some way, in that case we need something to replace uraniums current function (get really hot from neutrons,)... I guess we coudl clone plasma but that might cause problems with electronics nearby... anybody know of a substance that woudl be useful in game?
  • badsqueaker
    25th Jul 2010 Member 0 Permalink
    ssc4k:
    we need something to replace uraniums current function (get really hot from neutrons,)

    Well, Uranium still would get really hot. It gives off heat energy in fission. Plasma too, but it lags the game too much. Other than that, put Photons in a small metal cylinder, or in a current powder toy uranium reactor in place of uranium, and it should do the same job. They are about 922C. The whole steam thing would work the same way. I wonder why no one has done this yet. Or maybe I just didn't see it.
  • alexthesax
    25th Jul 2010 Member 0 Permalink
    Well, I realize it does something, ;) I was just trying to imply that no fission occurs, and that presure in itself won't cause any reaction, atleast to my knoledge, but my knowledge is extremely limited in this area, due to our stupid school system not teaching any nuclear physics or for that matter any physics at all, except simple "machines", if you want to call a lever, or a pully a "machine" but like I said I start high school in a month... And can't wait, stupid middle school...grrr the only reason I have this extremely limited knowledge is because I'm curious and like to know how things work and my best source was wikipedia, ugh.

    Edit for spelling, stupid iPod touch.
  • Rconover
    25th Jul 2010 Member 0 Permalink
    badsqueaker

    Uranium decays into Neptunium?

    what, my Chemistry receptors are failing

    How can that happen?

    Uranium 238 emits Alpha particles and decays into Thorium 234.
  • badsqueaker
    25th Jul 2010 Member 0 Permalink
    Rconover

    When an U235 atom captures a neutron, it becomes exited U236. some U236 becomes whatever, and the rest emits radiation and gets unexcited. So now we have fissioning U235 and stable U236. The U236 AND U235 are now being hit by Neutrons, and the U235 does its thing. U236 becomes U237 when hit with a Neutron.

    U237 has a half life of a week, and becomes Neptunium 237.
  • Rconover
    25th Jul 2010 Member 0 Permalink
    badsqueaker
    Ok here but correct me on this.

    Gathering thoughts...

    U237, when it decays...

    Nevermind, I just realized I forgot to include the W+- Boson into what you were saying

    Neutron = Electron + Proton

    Law of Conservation of Charge, lepton charge must be conserved and the difference must equal 0
  • ssc4k
    25th Jul 2010 Member 0 Permalink
    Shouldn't we be basing everything off of Uranium 238 since it is 99.284% of all natural uranium?
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