New Elements

  • Rconover
    11th Jul 2010 Member 0 Permalink
    Ok lets start with the basics, I hope this will be a main focal point for adding new elements to Powder Toy with Simon's cooperation.

    First off:

    Hydrogen: a fairly useful tool, it is combustible only in the presence of oxygen, it should either under certain circumstances:

    Form Dihydrogen Monoxide vs Hydroxide: The only way to form either one of these without forming much of the other is through 1 of the 2 options: to form water, more energy (in the form of temperature) is required to form the bonds and 2) to form Hydroxide one must have a lower energy level than what is required to make water, thus the 3rd bond won't adhere and thus you have HO (hydroxide)

    Hydrogen when bombarded with Neutrons can for Deuterium (Heavy hydrogen/ Deuterium oxide: Heavy Water) and Tritium (Radioactive isotope of Hydrogen)

    More information about this element can be found here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUVzb0fzHsk

    Carbon: Another very important tool, you can burn it in the form of Coal, and you can forget about Graphite, I don't really see it being implemented as being a useful form of Carbon. The Last form of Carbon is Diamond, you can make diamond under a massive amount of Heat and Pressure, and I don't mean a little, I mean just shy of the pressure that a Nuclear Reaction creates. Carbon when bonded with Oxygen can form Carbon Dioxide and Carbon Monoxide, but Carbon Monoxide isn't important right now; Carbon Dioxide can be used as a flame retardant, it can be cooled down to a liquid state through either cooling it or pressurizing it, this is what you find in common house hold fire extinguishers. Carbon can be bonded with Hydrogen and Oxygen to form sugars, we don't need every form of Sugars out there, probably just a simple sugar of glucose or something. Sugars can be used to promote plant growth and form crystalline structures. Carbon and Hydrogen can also be used to form Hydrocarbons, I suggest to form many of the other more complex hydrocarbons you will require the use of more energy, the more energy, the more complex the hydrocarbon and its bonds (ie: Methane, Ethane, Butane, Propane... I suggest not implementing other types of bonds such as Alkenes or Alkynes as that will become too complex for the endeavor). With Carbon bonded with Oxygen in Hydrocarbons you should simply invest in just Ethers. Hydrocarbons can be used to make Oil or other fuels in the game. When an OH (hydroxide) is mixed in a hydrocarbon, you generally get an Alcohol, alcohols are important in many different ways, they can be used as a fuel like Ethanol (2 carbons with an OH).

    More Carbon Information: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmC8Dg4n-ZA

    Nitrogen: Another important diatomic element, Nitrogen can be used in a gaseous form can be used as a flame retardant, when bonded with Oxygen you can get your Nitrous you find in the game already, when bonded with Hydrogen you can get Ammonium and Ammonia, which are common house hold Bases that can be used to counter the acid. I don't know how Nitrogen acts with Carbon though. Nitrogen can be used with hydrogen in Complex Hydrocarbons to form Amides, Amines and Esters.

    More Nitrogen Information: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmvJ54kRpjg

    Chlorine: not as important as the others but it is useful for the creation of Hydrocarbons with a halide in them to form Halocarbons (Hydrocarbons with a group 17 halogen in it)

    More Chlorine Information: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXCfBl4rmh0

    Silicon: Used in many electrical applications, this Metaloid is used in all complex electrical devices. It is found in sand (sand is Silicon's oxidation)

    More Silicon Information: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2aWO5cL410

    Copper, Iron, Tin, and Lead: some of the most common metals in our sociological world, Copper is a very good conductor, just shy of Silver and Gold. Copper is used in sculptures. It is also mixed (not bonded) with Tin to form Bronze (not brass: brass is copper with Zinc). Copper can be cooled down enough to form Super conductors. Iron can be used as a magnet of devices, when an electrical current is run through it, it makes an electromagnet, Iron's rust can be used for the creation of Thermite. With the mixing of some Carbon, Iron, and a bit of Magnesium, you get the all mighty Steel. Tin is a very viable heat insulator, it reflects heat incredibly and is used in oil fires by personal because it reflects so much heat, it is used in the manufacturing of tin foil and tin cans. Lead is used for many applications including in Nuclear Reactors where it can be used. Lead is very resistant to Acid because isn't very reactive.

    Copper: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWvp_Z2kfYs&feature=channel
    Iron: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01z4tnBbsL0
    Tin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEwCPJOP0Mg
    Lead: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ERfPN5JLX8

    Magnesium: not really that important but it emits A LOT of light when it burns, used in steel making. Also used for igniting Thermite.

    More Magnesium Information: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKkWdizutxI
  • lolzy
    11th Jul 2010 Former Staff 0 Permalink
    I think we need a word limit on the forums. They may be good ideas but to be honest you only need one short sweet sentence, not an entire debate!
  • savask
    11th Jul 2010 Developer 0 Permalink
    2lolzy
    No, it's bad idea. Imagine collabs where different information will be stored in the first post.
  • azymutt
    11th Jul 2010 Member 0 Permalink
    The day Powder Toy became Chemistry Toy... I think there are more useful adds to do first...
  • triclops200
    11th Jul 2010 Former Staff 0 Permalink
    and one more time METAL IS BASICALLY COPPER: SAME MELTING POINT, SAME CONDUCTIVE VALUES, SAME HEAT TRANSFER VALUES, QUIT ASKING FOR COPPER!!!!
  • Caesar
    11th Jul 2010 Member 0 Permalink
    Hello! Are we allowed to post our own ideas?
    If so, then here are mine (I hope they don't require too much coding)
    Hydrogen and Helium so we can use them in nuclear fusion
    Aluminium Oxide which we can add things to to turn it into rubies and emeralds, thus creating a crystal laser when flashed
    Electrons rather than just sparks.
    And finally, I think polymers might be a good idea. If this is a physics testing ground then I think we should have polymers, things like teflon (absolutely inert) and kevlar (Strong).
    I suppose I ought to be happy with this amazing game. The rest is up to Simon!
  • Caesar
    11th Jul 2010 Member 0 Permalink
    plagueis
    Well, I think you are being a bit tough on him. Surely he means the means to make lasers (flashing rubies). It is not like a beam of photons IS a laser. A laser is a high frequency beam of photons and seeing as we can't modify the frequency, then we would need to differentiate between simple photon beams and high frequncy laser beams!
  • Sylvi
    11th Jul 2010 Moderator 0 Permalink
    We've got to stop asking for metals. Simon has said before if electric goes any faster than metal already does then it will glitch. Second gases are needed, but we need to ask one at a time that are actually needed by most people. Only if we had a poll system here. Third, honestly we have to shorten them to small sentences. Not EVERY physical aspect can be created in PT. I know this is criticizing, but reading through countless page after page of almost the same idea is probably tiring. One idea is to have some sort of group working on PT for developing. So not one person should code all these ideas. If it could be coded by someone then great it should be sent to be added. If not wait in line for elements. Powder Toy engine is only so powerful to add certain stuff.
    Summary: Narrow down to very essentials for suggesting. Also shorten the information as much as possible, because I don't think reading an entire essay a comment is very efficient. I'd agree to the word limit, though I don't want to give up explaining.
  • kamikai
    11th Jul 2010 Member 0 Permalink
    I think that nuclear fission and fusion is just a ridiculous idea, as with chemical covalent bonds. This is supposed to be a fun, easy to use, not entirely realistic simulator that anyone can use. if chemical bonding is implemented, along with actual nuclear decay, i think a huge portion of casual pt users will ditch the project...
  • lolzy
    11th Jul 2010 Former Staff 0 Permalink
    This is what I mean. It's good that people are thinking about what they want but it's horribly annoying reading page after page of wikipedia stuff. Maybe people will listen to Lockheed because he's a Mod :/.