Flowing Water found on Mars?

  • EqualsThree
    7th Sep 2011 Member 0 Permalink
    Do you think Mars can/capable of supporting life even at it's current condition?
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    NASA Spacecraft Data Suggest Water Flowing on Mars

    August 04, 2011

    PASADENA, Calif. -- Observations from NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter have revealed possible flowing water during the warmest months on Mars.

    "NASA's Mars Exploration Program keeps bringing us closer to determining whether the Red Planet could harbor life in some form," NASA Administrator Charles Bolden said, "and it reaffirms Mars as an important future destination for human exploration."

    Dark, finger-like features appear and extend down some Martian slopes during late spring through summer, fade in winter, and return during the next spring. Repeated observations have tracked the seasonal changes in these recurring features on several steep slopes in the middle latitudes of Mars' southern hemisphere.

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    This map of Mars shows relative locations of three types of findings related to salt or frozen water, plus a new type of finding that may be related to both salt and water.

    "The best explanation for these observations so far is the flow of briny water," said Alfred McEwen of the University of Arizona, Tucson. McEwen is the principal investigator for the orbiter's High Resolution Imaging Science Experiment (HiRISE) and lead author of a report about the recurring flows published in Thursday's edition of the journal Science.

    Some aspects of the observations still puzzle researchers, but flows of liquid brine fit the features' characteristics better than alternate hypotheses. Saltiness lowers the freezing temperature of water. Sites with active flows get warm enough, even in the shallow subsurface, to sustain liquid water that is about as salty as Earth's oceans, while pure water would freeze at the observed temperatures.

    "These dark lineations are different from other types of features on Martian slopes," said Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter Project Scientist Richard Zurek of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif. "Repeated observations show they extend ever farther downhill with time during the warm season."

    The features imaged are only about 0.5 to 5 yards or meters wide, with lengths up to hundreds of yards. The width is much narrower than previously reported gullies on Martian slopes. However, some of those locations display more than 1,000 individual flows. Also, while gullies are abundant on cold, pole-facing slopes, these dark flows are on warmer, equator-facing slopes.

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    The images show flows lengthen and darken on rocky equator-facing slopes from late spring to early fall. The seasonality, latitude distribution and brightness changes suggest a volatile material is involved, but there is no direct detection of one. The settings are too warm for carbon-dioxide frost and, at some sites, too cold for pure water. This suggests the action of brines, which have lower freezing points. Salt deposits over much of Mars indicate brines were abundant in Mars' past. These recent observations suggest brines still may form near the surface today in limited times and places.

    When researchers checked flow-marked slopes with the orbiter's Compact Reconnaissance Imaging Spectrometer for Mars (CRISM), no sign of water appeared. The features may quickly dry on the surface or could be shallow subsurface flows.

    "The flows are not dark because of being wet," McEwen said. "They are dark for some other reason."

    A flow initiated by briny water could rearrange grains or change surface roughness in a way that darkens the appearance. How the features brighten again when temperatures drop is harder to explain.

    "It's a mystery now, but I think it's a solvable mystery with further observations and laboratory experiments," McEwen said.

    These results are the closest scientists have come to finding evidence of liquid water on the planet's surface today. Frozen water, however has been detected near the surface in many middle to high-latitude regions. Fresh-looking gullies suggest slope movements in geologically recent times, perhaps aided by water. Purported droplets of brine also appeared on struts of the Phoenix Mars Lander. If further study of the recurring dark flows supports evidence of brines, these could be the first known Martian locations with liquid water.

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  • BreakingNYC
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    Land a human crew to look for potential environments for halophillic life at sites like these?

    Why don't they send Curiosity to a place like this? I guess it is more of a geology probe, maybe.

    EDIT: In terms of breaking through to Mars, I'd be much more excited after finding ice on Phobos or Deimos


    I suggest we start a multi-billion program to mine water from the moons of Mars, because... well, I'm not sure. Maybe it'd be fun? image
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  • BreakingNYC
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    Dansteph:

    Not really fun, but saving lots of dV for the trip back...



    Cost and dV are two different things. You would have to extract the water, and if in the case of using it to create chemical propellants, you would have to seperate it into its constituent elements.

    That said, it'd be far easier to make use of than water on the Moon- the dV for getting it off Phobos would be negligible.

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  • EqualsThree
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    Meanwhile, let's send MSL Curiosity to some middle-of-nowhere crater.

    Why do they always visit craters? Why don't we ever visit naturally formed features of Mars? Like the cliffs, valleys, and canons? I am sick and tiered of craters. Craters are just surface features created by obliteration. Anything interesting there was destroyed in the process of the crater creation. The only people that would fapp over exploring craters are Geologists, and they are not interested in life, beautiful Mars canon vistas, or flowing water.
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  • BreakingNYC
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  • code1949
    7th Sep 2011 Member 0 Permalink
    Maybe we should just drop big-ass structures designed specifically for pumping out greenhouse gasses, that way, the icecaps melt and terraform Mars?
  • vanquish349
    7th Sep 2011 Member 0 Permalink
    lol